Acro Nase32 initial setup

[JAB1a]

Hi All,

I am looking at information about the Acro Naze32. I have been a die-hard fan of the Rabbit Flight Controller but its a bit large to fit in the MiniQuad so the 36mmx36mm Acro Nase32 board is perfect.

I have never played with multiWii so this is all new to me.

I was wondering if someone could give me a few answers or point me in the right direction to some questions I have but have been unable to find clear answers.

1. How would I setup the Naze to allow control from this Rx http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-4G-6-Channel-MICROLITE-DSM2-DSMX-Receiver-SBUS610E-JR-SPEKTRUM-Compatible-/261268636734?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item3cd4d3043e

I found this pic...

but what does he mean by ';I mapped mine in CLI configurator T A E R 1 2 3 4 - Spektrum order';, that is exactly what I need to do, does anyone know what I need to type in to get that config (line by line instructions)

I assume I have to use code in the CLI tab but what? I can not see a step by step guide for any Rx like this that does not use some kind of converter in series with it.

2. No idea about the CLI tab, I have typed help and seen the instructions, all I have spotted that I need to type is MOTOR_STOP and then hit enter, so I assume this is all that is needed to type, not MOTOR_STOP 1, to set it to active or anything.

3. I assume it turns up already setup for QuadX? but is that in ';Standard'; mode or ';Servo'; mode? I can not see where to change what type of frame you are using and where to change from ';Servo'; to ';Standard'; if needed.

Sorry to be a complete NOOB about this board but I have had a good search for these answers and only found scraps of information and then the helpful OP then posts... "fixed" or "done it now" without giving the information about how they figured it out.

There are many more questions that will arise no doubt so thank you in advance for any time or effort spent answering these.

Here are the main resources I have been searching:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1653753
http://abusemark.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj6IXA2hDW0
and of course Google

[teslahed]

1. That looks like a standard PPM receiver with SBUS. You can use SBUS but it';s fiddly and i';ve not messed with it myself. Try PPM to start with.

but what does he mean by ';I mapped mine in CLI configurator T A E R 1 2 3 4 - Spektrum order';, that is exactly what I need to do, does anyone know what I need to type in to get that config (line by line instructions)

Type ';map'; to display the current channel mapping then type ';map TAER1234'; if you want throttle first rather than third (as in ';AETR1234'

2. You shouldn';t need to set anything in the CLI at first but try typing ';help'; to have a look at the options. ';Set'; and ';Features'; are the two main ones to play with. Set lets you set all the fiddly little variables that the GUI doesn';t and features lets you turn various things on and off.

3. Yeah it defaults to quad X. Ignore Servo mode unless you have a servo operated gimbal you want the Naze32 to manage.

[Hands0n]

@JAB1a of you type the command "dump" you will get a full list of all the configuration settings. You can also cut and paste that to a file to save a working configuration in case you need to replicate it.

There is a wiki article of all the variables that I can link you to next time I';m on my laptop at home.

You';re right about the poor info around. It would be helpful to see how other';s fixed their issues. Shame they don';t share

Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

[JAB1a]

@HandsOn cheer Danny that link would be great please. Well I shall try and be a better forum user than most and write down what I have learned to resolve the issues in plan steps as that is what I have been looking for, so in my replies I will write what I have done step by step.

So to get the current full configuration that is already saved to the board I use the CLI tab:

Type ';dump'; and press enter

This is a great little command, I guess that would of told me how the inputs details that where already configured? (shows me TAER1234 and PPM?)


@Telsahed
Sorry that was a misleading Rx I sent the link too. I am just using a standard Spektrum PPM receiver with the Acro Nase32 (similar to AR6210 but without Satellite port). I have never had anything to do with S-bus so please disregard that link.

(Q1) So is the Nase set to PPM as standard? if its not then would I type:

';feature PPM'; and then press enter?

So the answer for the config of the input pins to match my spectrum Rx:

1.connect board to software
2.click CLI tab
3.Type ';map';, press enter
4. current board mapping is displayed
5.If the setting is not what I want (I want TAER1234) then continue to #6
6.Type ';map TAER1234'; and press enter
7.Type ';Save';, press enter
8.Type ';exit';, press enter

So on the board, if I am looking at the top side (chips facing up) with the input tracks on the right, the wires should be..

G= negative from throttle Channel (or from any channel from Rx) from Rx
+= positive from throttle Channel (or from any channel from Rx) from Rx
1= THR signal pin from Rx
2= AIL signal pin from Rx
3= ELE signal pin from Rx

Then on the other side from the bottom up

4= RUB signal pin from Rx
5= AUX 1 signal pin from Rx

(Q2) In a video I watched they mentioned typing "MOTOR_STOP" in CLI, this was something to do with stopping the motors spinning up before you arm the Nase? is this needed and what does it really do?, so should this be typed:

';MOTOR_STOP'; and press enter
or
';feature MOTOR_STOP'; and press enter

(Q3) so I assume you mean ';yeah'; to both it being in QuadX by default and also in ';Standard mode'; by default not ';Servo'; mode.

Thanks for your help Chris 

I am not near the board at the moment but I will be testing all this tonight

[kilby]

Yes it';s

feature motor_stop to turn off the motor spin up

feature -motor_stop to put the previous arming spinning blades of death back again

[teslahed]

(Q1) So is the Nase set to PPM as standard? if its not then would I type:

Sorry it';s possible I';ve confused things slightly here. PPM is the system where all control signals go down a single signal wire instead of a separate wire for every channel (PWM);

http://flyingeinstein.com/index.php/articles/58-ppm-explained

The Naze 32 defaults to PWM - a separate wire for every channel which almost all receivers support.

So on the board, if I am looking at the top side (chips facing up) with the input tracks on the right, the wires should be..

G= negative from throttle Channel (or from any channel from Rx) from Rx
+= positive from throttle Channel (or from any channel from Rx) from Rx
1= THR signal pin from Rx
2= AIL signal pin from Rx
3= ELE signal pin from Rx

Then on the other side from the bottom up

4= RUB signal pin from Rx
5= AUX 1 signal pin from Rx

this is correct for PWM

If your receiver supports PPM then this is better and you want to use it. It saves weight and wiring mess if nothing else.

Type ';feature PPM'; to enable it in the CLI
Type ';Save'; before exiting the CLI

You only need to do this if using PPM. If using the default PWM you wont have any problems.

Either method may require the channels remapping in the way you';ve described above.

(Q2) In a video I watched they mentioned typing "MOTOR_STOP" in CLI, this was something to do with stopping the motors spinning up before you arm the Nase? is this needed and what does it really do?, so should this be typed:

Some people like Motor stop. I don';t. Motor stop means your motors will stop at minimum throttle even when armed. I prefer my motors to always spin when armed. Some people think one is safer / better and some people think the other is. But i get control in flight from my spinning props so why would i want to stop them? I just disarm when i land and arm just before take off to get around the safety issues.

It can be safer to have props stop spinning on minimum throttle but I';ve found if i do this i end up forgetting to disarm, then i knock my transmitter and spin the motors back up unexpectedly. I prefer to have the obvious reminder of spinning props = armed. That way i never forget to disarm immediately.

So either think about how you prefer to do things or else just copy the behaviour from your previous model to play it safe.

If you like your motors stopping then you';d type;

feature MOTOR_STOP
save

(Q3) so I assume you mean ';yeah'; to both it being in QuadX by default and also in ';Standard mode'; by default not ';Servo'; mode.

yeah.




(yes i did. Definitely both )

[Biffa]

This thread makes it look really complicated, I just wired it up and it worked

[kilby]

I coped with it on Thursday night so it must be simple.

It is easy to over think things when you are about to connect it up

[teslahed]

You probably just used PWM which is the default and your channel mapping was normal for the Naze so you didn';t need to adjust that either.

For most people it will just work if they have these 2 things sorted.

PPM is better if you can use it but definitely not necessary and most of the CLI stuff is worth looking at once you';ve got the basics working but again can be ignored until you come to set the failsafe etc.

[Biffa]

For me the only ';odd'; thing was powering it up using separate +/- wires from the RX.

[JAB1a]

This thread makes it look really complicated, I just wired it up and it worked

@Kilby too true about over thinking things, can put you off trying. I however am not hopefully over thinking things but instead just getting the absolute basic information that seems to be void from internet searches, I am not the type of person to have something that just ';works'; without wanting to know at least the basics of ';how and why'; (and can I mod it lol)

@Biffa This is before I even get my hands on the board Biffa so imagine how complicated it feels to me, I just wanna make sure I know the basics before I even plug the lil';thing in better safe than sorry, nothing worse than seeing magic smoke before you even get to use it

@Teslahed Excellent, this is all the info I needed at this moment.

Re: PPM/PWM my bad, I should of checked the spec of the Rx which would of told me PWM instantly. Ideal, PWM all the way until I hook the Taranis up then I will be going PPM 

Thanks for all your help

[JAB1a]

For me the only ';odd'; thing was powering it up using separate +/- wires from the RX.

So using the BEC from one of the ESC connected to the motor ports will not feed the +&- pads that are on the input pins to then power the Rx? so I need to apply separate power to the Rx you are saying? not getting it from the board itself?

[JT]

 No, it will happily take power from your escs becs

[Biffa]

It must be a setting I missed can someone point it out or am I powering the RX that way....I dunno I have had beer since I put it all together.

[JT]

 A lot of the diagrams on t';interweb show a separate power supply to power the rx but it';s not necessary, I just wired mine up like anything else. The BECs power the board and the rx powers from the board.

[Biffa]

I just remembered what it was, because I used two leads for all the signals which left no wire for power

So to save masses of weight I did away with two plugs and one 3 inch length of wire

[kilby]

Heh, over thinking doesn';t put me off, but it makes me doubt what I already know,  then I spend my entire time double and triple checking.

If I hadn';t been trying to use a satellite RX rather than a regular one I wouldn';t ah be ended up doubting everything that followed.

I should have kept it simple and then modified a working configuration DOH!

[Hands0n]

@JAB1a - The link to the Wiki page on the CLI Variables is here: https://github.com/multiwii/baseflight/wiki/CLI-Variables

Using PWM is a piece of cake as described earlier.  I think most of the confusion arises because the Naze32 manual goes only so far in the explanations and no further.  The commentary in there is very terse, although an awful lot of information is contained therein.  It is not articulate, can appear obscure, but if you take the time to read every single word of every single line the detail can be teased out.

If you are going to use your FrSky SBUS to your Naze32 you will need some means of conversion of S.BUS to PPM.    I successfully used the FrSky S.Bus to PPM convertor cable, £8.95 from BoltRC.co.uk - it really does

[mrmurder1975]

following this thread with interest as im expecting my naze any day now. i do tend to over think things and get myself into a state, so for me, i hope it will be plug and play with just a bog standard orange 6ch rx.

[Biffa]

following this thread with interest as im expecting my naze any day now. i do tend to over think things and get myself into a state, so for me, i hope it will be plug and play with just a bog standard orange 6ch rx.

It is Dal, just depends on how you wire it up

[Hands0n]

It is Dal, just depends on how you wire it up

Yeah Dal, its not too difficult.  Wire it up for PWM with a suitable set of cables, One triple cable for Gnd, +ve, signal and one signal wire each to the remaining signal pins of the Orange RX and you';re done.

I wanted to use PPM from the off so got caught up in all this S.Bus-to-PPM conversion shenanigans.

[ericb]

Help, so on PWM

on g + and one you fit a three wire plug from channel 1 on the receiver, then a single signal wire on 2,3,4 

Eric

[Hands0n]

Help, so on PWM

on g + and one you fit a three wire plug from channel 1 on the receiver, then a single signal wire on 2,3,4 

Eric

Yup, thats it. Only need the signal wires for channels 2 onwards.

[ericb]

Cheers for that. Just built the mini and will finish it off this week 

Eric

[Hands0n]

Cheers for that. Just built the mini and will finish it off this week 

Eric

Cool, just test on the bench with the props off to confirm all channels working before committing to the maiden flight (apologies if I';m telling ya what you alraedy know)

[ericb]

It';s correct to mention. I have looked at a couple of the naze set up videos on youtube.......all props on, bad idea. Do I then use terminal 5 as a three position switch wire on my Transmitter.

Eric

[JeremyE]

I set mine up over the weekend. Actually really easy once you know whats what. Here';s a little video I found that really did help me out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rj6IXA2hDW0

[ericb]

My confusion was by not using PPM.Butt I';ll give the video a watch.. cheers.