Naze32 Fun Fly - First Impressions

[philtrum]

I know I';m new but could you possibly reserve me a full board please? Can pay in advance if need be?

your on the list

Phil

[Hands0n]

So, I can confirm that the FrSky SBUS-to-CPPM cable does work with the Naze32, and very well indeed.

I had to reverse all the channels except Throttle in the Spektrum DX8.  The RX is an Orange R620, the SBUS signal is emitted from the Bind/Batt port of this RX.  Connect the "SBUS In" cable to the R620 and the "CPPM Out" cable to the Naze32 and you';re done.

Using this cable I am able to get all 8 channels into the Naze32 which means that all four AUXn channels are available and configurable in Baseflight GUI app.  On the Spektrum DX8 these are, by default, linked to the following switches/dials:

Naze -> DX8
Aux1 = Gear switch (2-position)
Aux2 = Flap/Gyro (3-position)
Aux3 = Aux2/Gov (3-position)
Aux4 = Aux3 (rotary dial)

You could change these to what you want in the DX8.  With other SBUS radios similar would apply.

HTH

[Doug]

So, I can confirm that the FrSky SBUS-to-CPPM cable does work with the Naze32, and very well indeed.

I had to reverse all the channels except Throttle in the Spektrum DX8.  The RX is an Orange R620, the SBUS signal is emitted from the Bind/Batt port of this RX.  Connect the "SBUS In" cable to the R620 and the "CPPM Out" cable to the Naze32 and you';re done.

Using this cable I am able to get all 8 channels into the Naze32 which means that all four AUXn channels are available and configurable in Baseflight GUI app.  On the Spektrum DX8 these are, by default, linked to the following switches/dials:

Naze -> DX8
Aux1 = Gear switch (2-position)
Aux2 = Flap/Gyro (3-position)
Aux3 = Aux2/Gov (3-position)
Aux4 = Aux3 (rotary dial)

You could change these to what you want in the DX8.  With other SBUS radios similar would apply.

HTH

Danny  good to know haven';t had chance to try mine yet been busy trying to fettle the 3D printer with little or no instructions (Had to glean what I could from similar builds)

Doug

[barneyg]

You should have given me a shout ... I';ve probably faced a lot of the same issues.

[Tango21Delta]

Hi Mark, due in stock any day now

cheers
Phil

Thanks Phil, added one to my wish list on makeitbuildit, If you let me know when they are in I will get the order placed.

All the best
Mark

[Hands0n]

You should have given me a shout ... I';ve probably faced a lot of the same issues.

Cheers mate - what was odd is that I had previously used the Naze32 with a PWM-to-PPM converter hooking up all 8 cables which made it very bulky indeed, and hard to place on the MHQ.  In that I didn';t have to reverse anything.  But in this neat cable I did. It was easy enough -  just I';d forgotten how to set up the model';s channels in the DX8, it is very different to the DX6i I used to use.

[barneyg]

Wupps should have quoted @HandsOn ... I was talking to Dougal1957 re his printer

[Doug]

Wupps should have quoted @HandsOn ... I was talking to Dougal1957 re his printer

Thanks  Barney got most of it together now only thing not sure about is endstops and there placement my thinking is to play safe and fit 6 1 at each end of each axis just for safety will need to find 3 more micro switches for that but that is no biggy currently on with braiding all the wiring for neatness and then connect it all up and test the thing/adjust where needed.

Hopefully this weekend will see the first print come of it. Not sure what that will be yet maybe one of your Naze cases barney. don';t suppose you thought about having it in 3 pieces to avoid having to use support did you?


Will chat to you later re software etc tho if you don';t mind?

Doug

[mrmurder1975]

any updates yet phil?

[philtrum]

customs have allocated the charge but i cant pay it until the package is at the depot, which should be tomorrow hopefully

Phil

ps .. i hate customs and the delays

[mrmurder1975]

thanks for the update.

know just how you feel about customs. they are a royal pain in the arse.

still, at least i will have the money when you get them now as i will put it aside tomorrow in readiness

[kilby]

Well I finally got my teslaquad & Naze32 acro of the ground.

The naze itself gave no problems as everything is logical but a night was wasted trying to make an Orange satellite receiver work as the sole rx

Round 2 will start tomorrow afternoon along with finding a better battery mounting method (and some feet for landings)

[Trev2971]

having issues powering my receiver from the 5v/earth out pins, once connected I';ve got around 4v drop and only getting 1v ish to receiver?

works in gui/baseflight (stick inputs) but with a separate battery to recieiver ? any ideas please

[philtrum]

Well I finally got my teslaquad & Naze32 acro of the ground.

The naze itself gave no problems as everything is logical but a night was wasted trying to make an Orange satellite receiver work as the sole rx

Round 2 will start tomorrow afternoon along with finding a better battery mounting method (and some feet for landings)

I';ve got a set of legs that have been used, if you want them for half price mate ?
http://makeitbuildit.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&manufacturer_id=8&product_id=56

Phil

[kilby]

Sadly Phil I had a flyaway on my first outdoor test.

Trying to raise the funds to start building another, so the legs are not required at the minute

Feeling a bit dispirited and a combined with the lack of Acro Naze, ESCs and motors in the UK things are in a holding pattern (unlike the teslaquad)

I will say that it flew absolutely beautifully for the 6 minutes that I got to fly it

[philtrum]

oh no thats terrible

so sorry to hear that mate

had you got gps on it, if so can you remember your settings ?

if no gps, what were the symptoms ?

Thanks
Phil

[kilby]

Symptoms, about 30 to 50 feet away hovering about 5 feet up (had just got calibrated for angle mode) and it decide to climb and fly away from me.

Dropped the throttle a bit and it kept on going up, cut the throttle and it kept on climbing and accelerating away.

Suspect the orange rx had lost connectivity and was dumping any old crap to the Acro Naze.

When you first bind an orange rx,  bind in failsafe. In my case I had intended to rebind in failsafe when I got home.

Sadly it would have been better to bind with a min throttle value and had it fall.

There is a thread about it (but can';t find it via tapatalk)

[Hands0n]

Argh! Kilby, mate, so sorry to read of your fly away.   Is it Naze32 or that many of us seem to have gone for Orange RX kit and not set up the RF failsafe in those units?   

I spent absolutely ages setting mine up (Orange R620) to drop throttle to just below hover and all other sticks centred.  It works using a hand-hold method (wearing motorcycle gloves I should add) where switching the DX8 off results in the motors dropping to a moderate speed, barely sufficient to keep it on an even keel, certainly I feel the weight of it in my hand when that happens.  Switching the DX8 on again, once it regains connection with the RX, the motors spin back up to whatever throttle is set.

Very worrying about the reported range at which these "full range" receivers seem to be failing at. 30 - 50 meters feels well short of any reasonable expectation of what "full range" could or should mean.

Anyone with ideas on that?

[xxpitt]

if you have self level switch, set that for failsafe too, then hope for the  best

[Hands0n]

Half the problem is that these so-called "intelligent" TX bitch and moan if you have switches thrown or sticks off home position (particularly throttle) while switching on, and won';t progress until you return them to zero - which is perfectly useless when trying to set up a throttle failsafe.

What I had to do in the end was adjust (in the TX) the throttle min value to equal the PWM that the MHQ would just under-hover (ie. descend gracefully). Only then could I start up the TX in Bind mode and have it successfully set the RX programmable failsafe.   

After that I had to go back into the TX and restore the minimum throttle to what it was previously!

Ridiculous!!

[kilby]

It wasn';t even 40 to 50 metres it was feet in my case

It';s a lesson learnt,  if it had crashed I wouldn';t have cared, sadly I can';t check anything as it';s gone.

Also had great fun reporting it to the police the next day (better safe than sorry)

[dockman]

Bummer dude, never fun watching a craft take off on its own.  I got lucky and had a house get in the way of mine when the OrangeRX decided to be a butt head.  I have since switched to a Taranis radio and am happier for it.

[philtrum]

orangerx seems to be a common theme for these problems / signal loss, i dont think id touch one now

Phil

[kilby]

Well the cheap spectrums cause my apm to defend gently to the ground on signal loss (and won';t trigger RTL)

It';s not funny watching it head for the fjords and wish something large had gotten in the way.

I think it would be a good idea to do a one page easy start guide for each flight controller

[Biffa]

Not had any issues ever with an Orange RX on any of my models

I had an issue with Naze when the ground lead became loose and it wouldn';t respond to the sticks and throttled up.

In the air when it happened I luckily managed to get it down as the ground lead made contact again. It then wigged out on the deck and I had to put my foot on it as it throttled up while I unplugged the battery.

I have since rectified the problem, but I wonder if maybe a dodgy lead or perhaps a dry solder joint could be the cause of these fly aways

[kilby]

Never had an issue with an orange rx on my 450, the clubs normal flying area for quads was moved and it';s close to a small electrical substation that some people have blamed for loss of control on their planks using DSM2 receivers.

I will reserve judgement as my 450 hasn';t had issues in that area over the last few weeks, but let';s say that my first 2 batteries yesterday where a little stressful

[Hands0n]

Never had an issue with an orange rx on my 450, the clubs normal flying area for quads was moved and it';s close to a small electrical substation that some people have blamed for loss of control on their planks using DSM2 receivers.

I will reserve judgement as my 450 hasn';t had issues in that area over the last few weeks, but let';s say that my first 2 batteries yesterday where a little stressful

Not a strategy to get rid of multi-rotors, those nasty things that shouldn';t even be able to get off the ground?

[teslahed]

I think the issues are caused by people thinking they have one failsafe setup and working (the naze32 failsafe) when in fact they also have the orange RX failsafe set wrong. If you have both set to work together the orange RX failsafe will override the naze32 failsafe and the naze itself will never enter failsafe mode.

The orange RX failsafe will dominate and anything could happen when you lose signal. You almost certainly wont enter auto-level mode if you aren';t already in it and your throttle will go to whatever it happened to be at on your transmitter when you accidentally set the failsafe. So it could fall from the sky like a rock, or go full throttle straight up (or worse) sideways!

The issue is made worse by the fact some of the cheaper orange rx receivers only do failsafe on the throttle channel. You could get them to cut all power and fall from the sky rather than fly away on signal loss but you wont get them switching to auto-level for a relatively safe descent. If you have a receiver like this - just disable the failsafe and use the Naze32 failsafe instead.

In fact i generally recommend people use the naze32 failsafe rather than the radio failsafes if it';s an option.

[Biffa]

Who binds an RX with the throttle up?

[teslahed]

Well I';ve done it in the past. I didn';t realise the throttle position during the bind procedure was setting the throttle position when the radio system failsafed. I thought i had set the naze32 failsafe to sensible values (i had) but didn';t understand the radio failsafe was over riding those values with the nonsense positions i had when i bound my radio gear without thinking.

There are a lot of new fliers to this hobby who won';t be aware of common sense stuff like this.