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Started by nub, Wednesday,March 05, 2014, 22:54:44
QuoteI';m a serial smoker and I have to say, this thread amuses me as, I';m fairly confident that should I wish, I can give up without any aids. The problem I have is that I don';t want to give up, I enjoy smoking (rolled tobacco, not the premade cigarrettes with untold added chemicals).
QuoteDon';t get me wrong, I';m not knocking anyone that tries to quit smoking, this is more a warning against anyone jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. I would prefer to see someone give up completely, rather than rest on a "vape" addiction safe in the knowledge it';s "less harmful" yet inadvertantly propping up a secondary addiction.
Quoteyes I know it';s not ';smoke'; but it can';t be pleasant for those kids to experience and to see
QuoteI have no truck whatsoever with the ';I can';t give up'; reasoning - my grandad smoked nearly 80 a day all his life since he was 17 in the 1st WW - chain smoking Players Navy Cut unfiltered - and at the age of 84 just said one day that he was stopping - and he did - never smoked another and there was no change in his demeanor or his weight - he just smelled loads better and he died, age 98, of shock with a broken thigh after a fall.
Quote from: teslahed on Tuesday,March 18, 2014, 09:54:41 Then why doesn';t everyone quit? Whatever the reason is it must be quite powerful.
Quote from: XH558 on Tuesday,March 18, 2014, 10:54:23 There is no suggestion whatever that there is not a powerful addiction involved - I quite see that - but it';s also easier to say ';I can';t'; because of that addiction than to get through it and come out the other side - as you surely could if you WANTED too badly enough. Other excuses of ';I';ll put on weight'; - ';my nerves will be bad'; etc could - I am sure - all be dealt with. I was just giving one example of an old man who must have been HEAVILY addicted who just WANTED to give up - and did - instantly... I';m sure it must have been a nightmare for him internally - but he never showed it and all I can say was in his last 14 years he was a better grandad for it. PS I was doing exactly 30 - I checked - twice - having been done for speeding in a built up area 30 years ago I have NEVER exceeded built up area speed restrictions since - she was giving the body language of ';late for school'; ... Having looked at the distance between her and the car behind her I did dab my brake lights once - but it did no good
Quote from: nub on Wednesday,March 05, 2014, 22:54:44 Vaping! is anybody else into it? i only started a few days ago to kick a 20-30 a day habit and its going great! i should have done this ages ago i feel so much better already.anyways here';s a pic of my vaping gear and juices i';m vaping some watermelon just now and tastes lovely!if your a smoker you should seriously consider giving this a go.[attach=1]
Quote from: HowDoIfly on Tuesday,March 18, 2014, 01:57:24 I';m a serial smoker and I have to say, this thread amuses me as, I';m fairly confident that should I wish, I can give up without any aids. The problem I have is that I don';t want to give up, I enjoy smoking (rolled tobacco, not the premade cigarrettes with untold added chemicals).Before anyone takes offence, may I suggest that those who require a "prop" to "give up smoking" examine their reasoning? What I mean is that, over the decades I have smoked, I have met a lot of people who smoke for different reasons and that different reasons require different approaches to "quitting".I';m not boasting when I say with certainty, that should I decide, I will give up smoking without assistance. How can I be so sure? I';ve actually done it without realising. I gave up without realising on a two-week holiday. Only when I was back in blighty, in a pub did someone offer me a smoke did I realise what happened.The point being, since then, I';ve looked into reasons for smoking. They are many and varied. My dentist "gave up" smoking, only to become addicted to nicotine patches. I see the same happening with vapourisers. People are simply "converting" rather than giving up.Don';t get me wrong, I';m not knocking anyone that tries to quit smoking, this is more a warning against anyone jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. I would prefer to see someone give up completely, rather than rest on a "vape" addiction safe in the knowledge it';s "less harmful" yet inadvertantly propping up a secondary addiction.So what I suggest is that people examine "why" they smoke (or vape or use nicotine patches etc). For in this examination lies the antidote to their "habit", I';m sure.Hope this helps.
Quote from: BadgerG on Sunday,March 30, 2014, 17:24:40 There are juices that don';t contain nicotine BTW. And many people use those over the ones that contain nicotine, So vaping in it self isn';t a bad thing.Just my 2 cents worth.
Quote from: nub on Sunday,March 30, 2014, 21:06:25 these make for better reading http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-amy-fairchild/liquid-death-from-ecigare_b_5044145.htmlhttp://www.laweekly.com/informer/2014/03/25/e-cigarettes-nicotine-liquid-triggers-reefer-madness-in-the-new-york-timeshttp://voiceofvapers.com/rush-limbaugh-rips-new-york-times-over-e-cigarette-article/http://www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_891.pdfif there';s anything you need to be worrying about it';s the flavouring';s that could be used in some juices especially the creamy type flavours, its one of the main reason';s i';m trying to mix my own juices now so i know or have a better idea of what is exactly going in there.
Quote from: nub on Sunday,March 30, 2014, 21:18:21 cheers i think its going to take a bit of time and patience to get a couple of all day vapes together, i have some Flavourart concentrates to play about with but they seem a little weak to me, though i';ve been mixing it with some AG nicotine base, think i need to get myself some PG to help carry the flavour i think from what i';ve read.
Quote from: HowDoIfly on Sunday,March 30, 2014, 19:31:24 On another note, some of you might be interested in this article, if you';re not already aware. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/24/e-cig-dangers-liquid-nicotine-_n_5022522.html
Quote from: teslahed on Sunday,March 30, 2014, 22:23:45 I agree it';s being overly sensationalised when you consider that houses are full of similarly deadly poisons. People should be aware of the risk but it';s not a reason to ban E-Cigs. It';s just a reason to store the liquids out of reach of children.
Quote from: teslahed on Sunday,March 30, 2014, 21:58:51 It surprises me it';s taken this long for people to realise. Mg for Mg nicotine (LD50 = 30-60mg) is a deadlier poison than cyanide (LD50 = 200mg approx). That';s it';s whole point; it';s an insecticide that';s supposed to kill off beetles that eat tobacco plants. And it works very well except on tobacco beetles which have evolved to love the stuff and (i presume) go crazy if forced to eat regular plants.Of course it';s absolutely fine to smoke nicotine as the quantities involved are so tiny. If E-Cigs were a bit more mainstream people would be more aware of these dangers. As it is i can imagine the companies selling them would rather keep quiet than plaster their products with warning labels. Your house is full of poisons that would kill a small child (or fully grown adult) if used wrong. Nicotine is another one of these - treat it accordingly. Maybe store it next to the other dangerous poisons where kids can';t get at it - problem solved
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