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WHICH? 3D Printer
« on: September 11, 2016, 12:04:24 »

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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2016, 12:12:17 »
Hi Nate. You must have read my mind, as I was thinking of almost exactly the same thing! I was thinking of a setup for about 500 quid, but not sure where to start...

I';ll keep an eye on this thread, but also add any info that I stumble across if I think it will be useful.
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2016, 12:30:54 »
How about this - https://www.think3dprint3d.com/3D-Printer-Kits/complete-3D-printer-kits/Kossel-Mini-3dPrinter-Kit

Build volume: cylindrical, 170mm diameter, 245mm height.

Footprint: triangle, 300 mm width.

Frame height: 650 mm.

but its not a Cartesian printer, its a Delta

I';ve just finished a Delta, which is essence is the same, but just scaled a little larger

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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2016, 14:13:50 »
Don';t mind me watching but I would like one in the future, I know absolutely nothing yet only I keep looking.

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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2016, 14:29:01 »
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2016, 19:58:27 »
The best starter printer I could recommend is a wanhao duplicator 4x, I started on one of these and I loved it, heated build platform, full enclosed and can pick them up between 300 and 500 quite easy. Delta printers are not something I would recommend for a beginner into 3D printing, I purely base that on issues I had and I had 12-18 month of printing experience.
Check out RCmungo - new site just getting ready to be launched for all your RC needs
Bit like ebay but for RC
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2016, 20:38:46 »
Yes CTC printers are good, they take quite a bit of time to set up, but once done prints are good quality and reliable.

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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2016, 21:18:54 »
No worries buds, Cdc are box type printers(easy way to describe) and delta are like the mini Kossel, I have a similar printer to fletch about the same size too and mine is a Kossel xl





Check out RCmungo - new site just getting ready to be launched for all your RC needs
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2016, 21:26:32 »
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2016, 22:50:50 »
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2016, 23:32:57 »
I did have have to mod my CTC, like installing a glass bed, enclosing panels, wire chain for the X axis cables and moving the filament high up.








And a small selection of things I';ve designed and printed

Tricopter





GPS mount for the massive hex




More recently a fish tank overflow weir




Something I downloaded and printed





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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2016, 23:58:19 »
Designs? Simple designs I rush up on TinkerCAD - an on-line site which is quite good, even if the designs need to be straightforward. I';m no CAD artist - mainly making up practical parts for various stuff.

like any software, its more of how you use it than how it appears.

I initially started designing using tinkercad with the mind to move onto more complex software.

it wasn';t till I did move onto said software that I realised its was surprisingly unnecessarily complex and I unerringly found myself returning to tinkercad repeatedly.

on first glance it looks incredibly simplistic and almost childish (afterall it uses the "building block" approach to design which means in many ways it is) but Ive found that depending on how you utilize its design features you can produce even the most complex designs and I often use it as a preferred tool during projects..... though its occassional server sloth fits can really p*ss you off.
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2016, 23:59:50 »


woohooooooooo hillybilly enclosure!

Ive got a massoof container waiting for the Geeetech to turn up ::)
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2016, 16:24:27 »
Wow, there';s certainly a lot to learn about in the world of 3D printing.

Thanks so much for all the input so far guys.   :beer2:

It';s clearly far more diy/hands on than I realised, but that hasn';t put me off at all.

Did anyone bother reading up on the subject before buying a machine, and if so can you recommend a good and useful book?  I';m considering buying one of the following three books about it:

http://www.bookdepository.com/3D-Printing-James-Floyd-Kelly/9780789752352?redirected=true&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Base6&utm_source=UK&utm_content=3D-Printing&selectCurrency=GBP&w=AFC7AU9SBR6UL7A8ZT7N&pdg=kwd-104399158419:cmp-177155787:adg-15139031667:crv-44091921627:pid-9780789752352&gclid=CJ6jpt_Ch88CFcG4Gwod_JsI7w

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1118660757/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1VZDWMT535IFD&coliid=I2X72TXLCMC9NW

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1457182939/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1VZDWMT535IFD&coliid=I157P06V21IJCL


So it looks like there';s no one go-to brand or machine for the best budget 3D printer.  It';s cool that there';s so many different designs and units available but it means I';ll be taking a little longer than planned to make a decision about which one to go with.

For the uninitiated (like me) I';ve learned that there are 3 main types of 3D printer:

Delta - Generally tall tripod machines where the printer bed is fixed and the arms holding the print nozzle move up and down the vertical pillars in order to give the extruder the necessary movement.
Cartesian - Generally boxy printers (open and encased) where the flat bed moves up/down and forward/back whilst the print nozzle runs left/right across the top.  Printing certain shapes is more difficult due to the constant flat bed movement and the machines generally take up more desk space..
Polar - The daddy of 3D printers where the flat bed rotates whilst the print nozzle moves left/right and also up/down giving full 360 movement quickly and efficiently.  Machine';s can be small whilst printing big!

I like the looks of the Polar unit, but at $899 + import costs I think price will put me off of buying one!  Very cool though.   :cool:
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2016, 16:25:34 »
Cheers DarkButterfly for all the excellent pics and info about your CTC machine.  That';s a nice looking bit of kit.  And I like your makeshift storage-box hood (hillbilly enclosure, as shawdreamer puts it lol)!

I was confused what was meant by the glass bed, but now I understand that it';s just a bespoke sheet of toughened glass laid onto the standard heated bed for better heat dispersion and print material adhesion.  Boro glass is meant to be very good apparently.

What are you using in the 3rd to last photo as flat bed adhesive?  I';ve read that masking tape, dried PVA glue and even prit-stick works well.

How did you fabricate the side panels?  Are they cut-to-fit sheets of standard acrylic?


Rommie, the Wanhao Duplicator 4s looks decent.  It gets plenty of love around the web.  Cheers for the heads up.  I think the newer one is the 4S.  I';ll take a proper look at that too.
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2016, 17:07:31 »
Sourced the bits from various locations, if you are really interested I can come up with a list of sites.

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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2016, 18:02:26 »
Cheers DarkButterfly for all the excellent pics and info about your CTC machine.  That';s a nice looking bit of kit.  And I like your makeshift storage-box hood (hillbilly enclosure, as shawdreamer puts it lol)!

I was confused what was meant by the glass bed, but now I understand that it';s just a bespoke sheet of toughened glass laid onto the standard heated bed for better heat dispersion and print material adhesion.  Boro glass is meant to be very good apparently.

What are you using in the 3rd to last photo as flat bed adhesive?  I';ve read that masking tape, dried PVA glue and even prit-stick works well.

How did you fabricate the side panels?  Are they cut-to-fit sheets of standard acrylic?



When it comes to making enclosure, (or airframes) I';m not just frugal, I';m downright cheap and will not waste time making a box if I already have one to fit ~~

I had some acrylic sheets left over form another project, so I cut them to fit, but they are standard acrylic.
The adhesive I use on glass is super hold hairspray.

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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2016, 19:49:39 »
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« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2016, 20:55:37 »
like any software, its more of how you use it than how it appears.

I initially started designing using tinkercad with the mind to move onto more complex software.

it wasn';t till I did move onto said software that I realised its was surprisingly unnecessarily complex and I unerringly found myself returning to tinkercad repeatedly.

on first glance it looks incredibly simplistic and almost childish (afterall it uses the "building block" approach to design which means in many ways it is) but Ive found that depending on how you utilize its design features you can produce even the most complex designs and I often use it as a preferred tool during projects..... though its occassional server sloth fits can really p*ss you off.


Hmmm, I think that upon reflection I was perhaps a bit unkind to TinkerCAD::)

As you rightly say, it is surprisingly flexible and I have made a couple of complex designs myself also.  Its just a matter of getting your head around how to combine various shapes and holes to come up with the whole thing.   

But yeah, I';d agree with you wholeheartedly, its a rather fabulous tool.  More so that you can stop your work, shut down the browser, go off somewhere else and pick up again from where you left off.  I';ve even done some sneaky edits at work in a spare browser tab ~~ 

I have recommended TinkerCAD before to people who';ve never done design work.  The great feature is to be able to visualise your design in the 3D viewer where you can see how the design is going to come out.   

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« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2016, 21:19:23 »
Nate80

First thing you have ask yourself is do you want it to work out of the box,  Require minimal assembly, a printer in kit forum taking several hours of building or going totally custom and sourcing the parts required?

Answer that and we can point you in the direction of your choosing.

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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2016, 00:11:15 »
Are there restrictions depending on what type of unit get ? Some have moving tables, static tables, the Delta type seem totally different to the rest. Have they any advantages ?

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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2016, 01:18:09 »
Are there restrictions depending on what type of unit get ? Some have moving tables, static tables, the Delta type seem totally different to the rest. Have they any advantages ?

I wouldn';t term it as "restriction" as such, to a certain degree each type excels at certain print types, for example kossel types are superior to Mendel types when it comes to building taller prints while maintaining quality whiles Mendel types are often better at building large footprint designs.

Its probably more about personal preference when choosing what printer is best for yourself, Mendel types are often the preferred printer for a newcomer as there easier to setup and get calibrated with limited experience which means you can often get printing quicker, kossels print better quality but require alot more experience, time, calibration and general effort to get them to do so consistently which means a much larger learning curve for a newcomer.

The reason you see so many variations on the Prusa and similar is due to their ease of setup and use.
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Re: WHICH? 3D Printer
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2016, 10:08:29 »
have a look at Hobbykings Malyan 150 I have one cheap Wanhoa clone, cheap as chips and prints very well plus UK warehouse so no problems with warranty.

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« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2016, 11:40:12 »
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Sourced the bits from various locations, if you are really interested I can come up with a list of sites.

Ok, cheers very much Hozza.  I';m not sure yet, but if I do decide to go with a Kossel I';ll let you know.   ~~


Nate80

First thing you have ask yourself is do you want it to work out of the box,  Require minimal assembly, a printer in kit forum taking several hours of building or going totally custom and sourcing the parts required?

Answer that and we can point you in the direction of your choosing.

I';m not completely sure yet, that';s what I';m here for - to work that out.   ;)   It';s a bit tricky as I';d guess (as with most things) if you want ease and productivity it';ll cost lots of conga, so a budget ready to use 3D printer will probably offer less features etc.

I';m great with building stuff and fine with performing basic electronics, and I';m good with computers, so I';m happy to buy bits and build it - as long as it';s guaranteed to work when it';s all put together and calibrated!   :laugh: 

I';m still trying to figure out what style of 3D printer is best for my needs.
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