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CBQ330H FPV Quadcopter - Frames for testing

Started by Raf, Tuesday,April 28, 2015, 10:58:38

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Raf

Hi everyone.
I';m looking for some pilot testers who will be willing to build, fly and test my latest frame CBQ330H.
Frame overview and design progress -> http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=13354.0
My Build of CBQ330H -> http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=13390.0

Frames will be Carbon Fibre less someone request FR4 version. They will be free of charge. 

I';m looking for few different setups on that frame as I';m not able to build and test everything myself in reasonable timescale and there is many better pilots then me.
Flight controllers to be used on each setup:
- Naze32
- CC3D
- APM/PixHawk
- Dji Naza - preferably V2
- Vector

Requirements:
- established YouTube channel
- make a build log - forums (RCGroups, FPVLab etc) or YouTube
- review (can be part of build log)
- share PID';s and spec for each setup
- fly it as often as you can and shoot some flight videos for sharing
- feedback with positive criticism

Anyone interested please post below with some links to videos and reviews you have done so far.

[attach=1]  [attach=2]  [attach=3]  [attach=4]

JAB1a

I would be interested in testing this frame RAF as it looks great.

I would like a FR4 top (clean) section with Carbon for the bottom (dirty) section if possible?

Setup would be...

Airbot MicroTitan 2204 2300Kv motors/ Might get my hands on Cobra motors
RCTimer SN20A ESC BlHeli
Sparky FC running Cleanflight
3s initial setup moving onto 4s soon after (depends on next motor choice)

flybywire

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yama

nice looking frame.

im really liking the size and form factor of these 300-400 sizes.

I will be interested the pricing on this one.

Raf

Quote from: flybywire on Tuesday,April 28, 2015, 15:02:11
Send one to Bruce!   ~~


was thinking about it but probably would wait for review 6 months LOL

Raf

Quote from: yama on Tuesday,April 28, 2015, 15:21:35
nice looking frame.

im really liking the size and form factor of these 300-400 sizes.

I will be interested the pricing on this one.


roughly £150 Carbon Fibre

Raf

Quote from: JAB1a on Tuesday,April 28, 2015, 14:08:56
I would be interested in testing this frame RAF as it looks great.

I would like a FR4 top (clean) section with Carbon for the bottom (dirty) section if possible?

Setup would be...

Airbot MicroTitan 2204 2300Kv motors/ Might get my hands on Cobra motors
RCTimer SN20A ESC BlHeli
Sparky FC running Cleanflight
3s initial setup moving onto 4s soon after (depends on next motor choice)


Sparky sounds interesting but not sure about motor/batt combo - how much thrust this will produce with 6x4.5 props?
Have you done any reviews so far JAB1a ?

teslahed

If i had the time and money to buy the motors and ESCs and then put the thing together i';d be volunteering like a shot!

As it is i';ve overspent recently on multirotor stuff and i don';t think i can justify the time and money i';d have to spend on this one to do it justice. That';s even assuming i was accepted on the trial of course...

A larger frame like this with 6 inch props should be a lot of fun in slightly bigger fields when nailing the long distance high energy stuff. I enjoy that kind of thing but i';ve moved into a city (Bristol) and have fewer large fields on my doorstep, so i';d worry that after building it it would just sit looking pretty on a shelf most of the time. That';s why i built the 180 recently instead or anything larger.

Other people will have a lot of fun with these though.

When will they be ready for review? If it was a couple of months i might change my mind...
One circlip short of a quadcopter.
 1 lobe short of an antenna.

Raf

Tuesday,April 28, 2015, 17:32:59 #9 Last Edit: Tuesday,April 28, 2015, 17:37:47 by Raf
Quote from: teslahed on Tuesday,April 28, 2015, 17:13:55
When will they be ready for review? If it was a couple of months i might change my mind...


Frames should be ready to go in about 2-3 weeks time and I would like to have on board Chris.
Frame is already slightly redesigned after I build prototype that include bottom dirty plate and both clean plates.
Main plates will be 1.5mm CF GoPro cage 2mm CF and arms are solid (no cutouts) 4mm CF
Build like that is around £300 in electronics alone so I';m not able to handover fully build quads.

teslahed

I really wouldn';t expect you or anyone else (unless they had just won the lottery) to be capable of handing over RTF';s for testing.

The offer is more than generous as it is. Anyone that thinks they can do the review justice should apply.
One circlip short of a quadcopter.
 1 lobe short of an antenna.

nub

na fook that, that would be a bit much to ask eh? ;) hehe

nice frame though and one i would like to fly i think but i';m not up for all that writing reviews stuff, i';m not to great with words and writing stuff like that :laugh:
Point and click.

Monkey see, Monkey do.

teslahed

At least you are honest nub :smiley:

If i was handing out frames for review my biggest fear would be people saying they';d review stuff who then disappeared into the ether with their brand new free frame.

I am sure that anyone on this forum who says they';ll review one will stick to it and give it a fair review; looking for people with past experience with reviews and build logs is also a good idea.

I think the slightly larger miniquad design; i.e 6 inch props and 4 cells on the next size up high kv motor from what';s used on a 250 - could be a lot of fun in the right environment. It wont be quite as good for shooting through tiny gaps and weaving through trees in a forest but it will be awesome at the high energy stuff and should fly like a real rocket ship. That';s my prediction anyway.
One circlip short of a quadcopter.
 1 lobe short of an antenna.

JAB1a

Tuesday,April 28, 2015, 21:52:45 #13 Last Edit: Wednesday,April 29, 2015, 10:22:00 by JAB1a
Quote from: Raf on Tuesday,April 28, 2015, 16:54:01
Sparky sounds interesting but not sure about motor/batt combo - how much thrust this will produce with 6x4.5 props?
Have you done any reviews so far JAB1a ?


Sorry I missed out all that info.

Raf

Quote from: JAB1a on Tuesday,April 28, 2015, 21:52:45
Initial setup would be Afro ESC on 3s with Micro titan 2300Kv using 6x3 props, thrust has got to be well in the range of 2kg+ (Setup will transplant from this quad ) and great for fast long distance runs across the Tors. End setup will be SN30A ESCs running Cobra 2208 2000Kv motors using 6x4.5 props on 4s, this should be 4kg+ thrust

The frame would be used for a variety of things including some FPV racing  :popcorn:


The end setup sound right but when would that happen. I think on 3S its going to be quite sluggish with short flight times. Basically you have 2-3 weeks to gather all bits needed for the build if I take you on board - would that be possible?

teslahed

I have also reconsidered my position on testing one of these.

I could dismantle the old Mark 3 which i am not using much anyway at the moment.

Then i would have;

4 x KISS 18 amp ESCs.
Naze32 full
D4R-II receiver
MinimOSD
600mW 5.8ghz 32 channel transmitter
Spare camera etc.

And all i would need to buy would be 4 new motors and some bits of wire etc.

I have my eye on a few possibilities including;

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__67013__Quanum_MT_Series_2206_2000KV_Brushless_Multirotor_Motor_Built_by_DYS.html

http://www.multirotorsuperstore.com/motors/cobra-2208-2000kv-brushless-motor.html

http://www.goodluckbuy.com/sunnysky-x2207s-2100kv-brushless-motor-cw-ccw-for-rc-multicopters.html

Something that will run 6x4.5 props on 4 cells basically; has to be the next size up from what i';d put on a 250 miniquad or there';s no point.

A couple of my old build threads;

http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=7675
http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=10285.0
http://www.multi-rotor.co.uk/index.php?topic=13231.30

If you were able to include me in the test run i would create a new thread with pics etc and do something similar.

No worries if it';s not possible; i';ve got plenty of other things to build and i am sure someone will have a lot of fun testing one of these.

One circlip short of a quadcopter.
 1 lobe short of an antenna.

Raf

That sounds good to me Chris. I know you can make some good informative videos and you can get a lot of juice out of it with your flying capabilities. Are you a user on other forums, Facebook groups?

You could also get Cobras from http://www.goodluckbuy.com/cobra-cm2208-2000kv-integrated-brushless-motor-for-rc-multirotors-copters.html

teslahed

I';m on the ';miniquad fpv'; facebook group which sees a good amount of activity.

I can post on rcgroups if there is a thread i can add to where the information won';t get completely swamped. If i started my own thread i would expect to see it disappear pretty quickly.

I am on a few of the other UK FPV forums even if i am not terribly active.

If i did a review i';d put the most detail up on www.multi-rotor.co.uk to start with and then copy the review across to anywhere else you wanted to see it that didn';t make signing up a real pain. You could also copy and paste the review to your website if / when you have one.

I would make the review fair but i would talk to you about any problems before marking it down. That';s not cheating as it should represent the kind of customer care you';d give to any customer. If they are prototypes then the production models could easily fix any small issues for your paying customers if you get the right feedback from your testers anyway.

It looks like a good well designed frame; there isn';t all that much to go horribly wrong with a design like this that';s just a smaller miniquad made a bit bigger with a few extra bells and whistles and some nice design. I expect the build to be pretty straight forward and the aircraft to be fairly easy to tune and get flying.

Of course i';ll be shooting videos. I need something large enough to fly my new Xiomi Yi (gopro knockoff) and get that 1080p 60fps goodness in full acro mode anyway ::)
One circlip short of a quadcopter.
 1 lobe short of an antenna.

JAB1a

Wednesday,April 29, 2015, 10:21:13 #18 Last Edit: Wednesday,April 29, 2015, 10:25:48 by JAB1a
Quote from: Raf on Wednesday,April 29, 2015, 09:27:46
The end setup sound right but when would that happen. I think on 3S its going to be quite sluggish with short flight times. Basically you have 2-3 weeks to gather all bits needed for the build if I take you on board - would that be possible?


Sorry for wasting your time, I withdraw my request to test this frame. Good luck with the reviews as it does look a good frame  :beer2:

P.S that 3s setup is anything but sluggish ;)

Raf

Quote from: teslahed on Wednesday,April 29, 2015, 10:04:50
I would make the review fair but i would talk to you about any problems before marking it down. That';s not cheating as it should represent the kind of customer care you';d give to any customer. If they are prototypes then the production models could easily fix any small issues for your paying customers if you get the right feedback from your testers anyway.

Of course i';ll be shooting videos. I need something large enough to fly my new Xiomi Yi (gopro knockoff) and get that 1080p 60fps goodness in full acro mode anyway ::)


That';s what I';m after - feedback with constructive criticism. You are on board then.

Raf

Wednesday,April 29, 2015, 10:31:29 #20 Last Edit: Wednesday,April 29, 2015, 10:35:34 by Raf
Quote from: JAB1a on Wednesday,April 29, 2015, 10:21:13
Sorry for wasting your time, I withdraw my request to test this frame. Good luck with the reviews as it does look a good frame  :beer2:

P.S that 3s setup is anything but sluggish ;)



Given up JAB1a? That';s unexpected.
3S setup on you quad does the job quite nicely but fully build CBQ330H will weight around 1kg that';s probably around 400g more then your';s. I don';t want you to get disappointed with frame. Like I said there is a time to gather bit';s and pieces.

JAB1a

Thanks again RAF but I don';t think I can give this frame the time you require to do it justice.

Teslahed is the man for the job without a doubt  :notworthy: I look forward to his review  ~~

Raf

Monday,May 11, 2015, 14:04:53 #22 Last Edit: Monday,May 11, 2015, 14:07:57 by Raf
First batch of frame plates is ready. These are for testing purposes and as "early bird" frames if anyone will be interested. Now waiting for hardware to arrive. Set of plates weight 228g.

My offer on testing is still open if anyone decide to take a part in testing team.

[attach=1]  [attach=2]  [attach=3]  [attach=4]

[attach=5]  [attach=6]

Marty McFly

Hi Raf,what motors/esc';s and prop size do you recommend for the frame,ive got a new vector here I could fit and try,Marty anf the borrowed doggie, :scotland:

Raf

Quote from: Marty McFly on Monday,May 11, 2015, 14:24:32
Hi Raf,what motors/esc';s and prop size do you recommend for the frame,ive got a new vector here I could fit and try,Marty anf the borrowed doggie, :scotland:


2206/2208 2000kv motors
6x4.5 recommended but for vector you could try 6x3

xxpitt

ahhh i so want this frame, don';t have the funds for new lipos and motors though  :cry if you ever make a 250 that needs testing give me a holler  ::)

atomiclama

Hi Raf
I';d like to offer my services for testing, not quite got the credentials you are after, but if you want the perspective from a relative newbie I';d like to give it ago.

I have some SS 2212 1400KV motors 30A ztw esc 4S lipos that I was about to build into a Tri but they could be put into this.
Do you have room for 8inch props  ::)

I have built a couple of scratch wood quads, an A-tail and currently a double V but never a kit.

Drop me a PM if you want more info.
cheers
Wasdale X, Ow that hurt

teslahed

Wednesday,May 20, 2015, 12:09:02 #27 Last Edit: Wednesday,May 20, 2015, 18:26:50 by teslahed
My test frame has just turned up.

I haven';t had the chance to do anything more than open the package and look at the carbon fibre.

First thoughts are that it looks well designed and well thought out, the carbon fibre seems to be high quality stuff, the arms are particularly solid and should stand up to a lot of abuse and the 3D printed parts look great in Orange and should do the job fine.

Hopefully i';ll be able to make a start on the power wiring this weekend while i wait for the motors and the rest of the hardware to turn up :smiley:
One circlip short of a quadcopter.
 1 lobe short of an antenna.

Raf

Green version look good too. Will have to do some "how to put frame together" tutorial.

[attach=1]

teslahed

Well that';s my Motors and ESCs arrived. I will have to start the build this weekend or possibly sooner. Shame I';m so nackered tonight :rolleyes:
One circlip short of a quadcopter.
 1 lobe short of an antenna.