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  • #91 by hoverfly on 15 May 2017
  • Neat...nice tight rolls for a wing. ~~
  • #92 by trebor on 15 May 2017
  • I gave it a go, set the taranis up as a quad, changed model type in betaflight. Works, it even sorts out the elevons, no need to mix them in on the tx 👍👍 having trouble finding the failsafe on betaflight but my throttle is on a switch. Nearly ready just got to set my rates / throws and I'm flying.
    I need to get rid of my spektrum, futaba stuff and stick to frsky now I'm getting used to it.
  • #93 by trebor on 16 May 2017
  • Famous last words, I'm getting so close to finishing. All my controls from the tx are good but the assisted flight control is off. When I select angle / horizon modes then dip the wing into a dive the ailerons start to work so it would twist over as well as diving. If I lifted a wing both elavons  come up evenly instead of trying to dip the wing back down. Can't figure it out I would have to keep correcting it with manual imputs from the sticks rather than it looking after itself.
    Any advise muchly appreciated.
  • #94 by hoverfly on 16 May 2017
  • Usual prob with elevon mixing , up and down work OK but turning gets opposite  reaction  swap the servo leads over.
  • #95 by trebor on 16 May 2017
  • I did that already, the servos are wired live and ground off the pdb then the signal wire from the fc. I'll have another go tomorrow. What's the pass through mode on betaflight for ?
  • #96 by hoverfly on 17 May 2017
  • The clot thickens..this could get messy,  are you using the T/X to do the elevon mixing? most dedicated f/c for planks require to do the mixing. That not withstanding some require the aileron and elevator to be swapped on the input.
    If swapping the  output side doesn't work this could be the answer, it also might be the firmware is crap..
    I don't know what F/C you are using but pass through usually means the f/c just sends through the signals from the t/x.
    I have had this problem a couple of times and there are dents in wall shaped like my head. :banghead:
    I eventually sorted it out but it was a P.I.T.A
    Servo reversing also complicates  the matter. :crossfingers:
  • #97 by trebor on 17 May 2017
  • Its a frsky http://www.hobbyrc.co.uk/frsky-xmpf3e-f3evo-flight-controller-eu-lbt
    I did try to mix elevons on the tx first  :banghead: Then started on the fc to do mixing  :-/  So far this cheap wing is working out expensive. I wish we had computers at school instead of those wooden beads, I might be ok with this programming  :laugh: If i can get it working it would be a tidy install.



  • #98 by hoverfly on 17 May 2017
  • I know it's not a lot of help but I gave up on these sort of f/c  after the Naze  series put out a new rev every 5 mins without a manual.
    The other problem was lots of web searches were populated by $hit heads saying they found them easy to program then failing to explain how.
    I will dig out an old board and try running through the programing to see if I can sort it.
    Hang in there  :crossfingers:



    found the above!!

    http://fotoflygarn.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/baseflight-fixedwing.html

    T.B.H.  i would bin the fc and fit an Eagletree Guardian, mainly because they are plug and play, and work without all the fk/ing about.
  • #99 by trebor on 18 May 2017
  • Cheers for the advise, I'll give it a bit more fiddling before I rip it out. It's not a bad fc but those pads for soldering are microscopic, luckily I didn't need many, just a buzzer and a ground wire.
  • #100 by Hozza on 18 May 2017
  • Have you thought about switching to iNav?
  • #101 by trebor on 18 May 2017
  • I have heard about it but don't know anything about it yet. To be honest I'm getting fed up of sitting in front of my laptop trying to figure it out.
  • #102 by trebor on 20 May 2017
  • #103 by apollo7 on 20 May 2017
  • I have to say i am getting tempted to sell the pair of black shadows.......i just dont seem to have the bottle to go for maiden flight since my Tek sumo disaster  :embarrassed
  • #104 by trebor on 20 May 2017
  • Do you fly on your own or are you a club member ? Is there someone that can trim the wing for you to start you off ?
  • #105 by apollo7 on 20 May 2017
  • I tend to fly on my own, but hoping my good friend Russell will sent it up and trim it, but as said i am questioning if i am doing right thing with fixed wing, i feel i should stick with quads and hexcopters, i seem okay with them
  • #106 by hoverfly on 20 May 2017
  • I have to say i am getting tempted to sell the pair of black shadows.......i just dont seem to have the bottle to go for maiden flight since my Tek sumo disaster  :embarrassed

    Don't sell them you will miss out on a hell of a lot of flying pleasure.
    Set them as per destructions, add 20ish expo to elevator & aileron.
    Test glide,  chose a low wind day, preferably get someone to chuck it for you,steady, slightly down chuck.
    Make adjustments as required, when you get relativly flat glide slowly open throttle a little more each time. most f/kups are the result of too much throttle, and over controlling,  get three accidents high and get the feel of the a/c.  If $hit happens shut the throttle, an unpowerer desent will result in little damage if it's trimmed properly.
    Not trying to teach you to suck eggs but you will get there. ~~


    P.s. Could you use trainer link?
  • #107 by apollo7 on 21 May 2017
  • Don't sell them you will miss out on a hell of a lot of flying pleasure.
    Set them as per destructions, add 20ish expo to elevator & aileron.
    Test glide,  chose a low wind day, preferably get someone to chuck it for you,steady, slightly down chuck.
    Make adjustments as required, when you get relativly flat glide slowly open throttle a little more each time. most f/kups are the result of too much throttle, and over controlling,  get three accidents high and get the feel of the a/c.  If $hit happens shut the throttle, an unpowerer desent will result in little damage if it's trimmed properly.
    Not trying to teach you to suck eggs but you will get there. ~~


    P.s. Could you use trainer link?

    All sounds like good advice, still not sure though, if i trash the first one i just as well sell the unbuilt one, might have a go later today. not sure about trainer link
  • #108 by trebor on 21 May 2017
  • It's a bit too windy down in Hampshire for a foam wing today, not sure what your areas like. I'd wait for a dead calm day then you will get no unwanted surprises. Stick to a boring flight pattern, round circles one way, then the other, try to stay at the same hight. Then some rectangular patterns, figure of 8s just like the a test. Stick to 2 mistakes high, I would learn Los flying first with a plane before Fpv so you get an understanding how it handles first.
    I love it when you find a bit of faster air and then you can hover in one spot without dropping a wing. Just to see how slow you can fly is great. Don't give it up yet.
  • #109 by DarrellW on 21 May 2017
  • I have to say i am getting tempted to sell the pair of black shadows.......i just dont seem to have the bottle to go for maiden flight since my Tek sumo disaster  :embarrassed
    Keep them and try something easier to fly - my very first plane was one of these when it was made by Flying wings, if you can't fly this then I would say to give up!!!
    http://flyteam-uk.com/index.php/en/product/rc-models/v-trainer
  • #110 by hoverfly on 21 May 2017
  • I had the flying wings  one , I used it  when I got the  "can I have a go " question I had the throttle rate on a switch so it wasn' t possible to go nuts with it.  It worked a treat ,I would get it to a decent height up wind and hand the t/x over. There is so much dihedral on the tops its almost stall proof.
    Back to the Shadow,  get your m8 to maiden it then do a handover.
    If you don't fly it we will have to send  "The Boys" round to have a word in your shell like. :slap:
  • #111 by apollo7 on 21 May 2017
  • @Darrell i would buy the dihedral  plane but cant find a price, get the feeling its not made any more but will keep looking, i would enjoy that as a roper trainer and many thanks for the suggestion.

    @Hoverfly i hope Russ will agree to launch the s800, he flies mutis and fixed wing so he is the man for the job
  • #112 by trebor on 21 May 2017
  • I'm just about to pack the multirotor fc board on a fixed wing away now. It's doing my head in, when I operate the throttle its started to change elevons in stabalized modes. Don't ask me why it's just started to do this I got everything else working OK appart from the left aileron going the wrong way when plane is in a dive. My hhhhhheeeAaaaadddd hhhhhhuuuuurrrtttttssssss.
  • #113 by Dougal1957 on 21 May 2017
  • @Darrell i would buy the dihedral  plane but cant find a price, get the feeling its not made any more but will keep looking, i would enjoy that as a roper trainer and many thanks for the suggestion.

    @Hoverfly i hope Russ will agree to launch the s800, he flies mutis and fixed wing so he is the man for the job

    How about this as an alternative (I have no idea what they are like but it looks to be a straight tailplane instead of Vee Tail and motor up front)

    http://www.fenix-flyteam.co.uk/rc_flyers.html#

  • #114 by DarrellW on 21 May 2017
  • The 1200 would be ideal, it's basically a more modern version of the Vtrainer and would fly very similarly.
    I couldn't see any price for the Vtrainer but it may be that you have to ask.
  • #115 by apollo7 on 21 May 2017
  • I think i might order the 1200, its a bit like my old middle phase but with a motor in the nose, looks good, thanks for the links and watch this space  :cool:
  • #116 by trebor on 21 May 2017
  • Cracked the programming of my fc board, whoop woooop. What's everyone using for CofG is it 125mm or somthing else ?
  • #117 by apollo7 on 22 May 2017
  • I think i might order the 1200, its a bit like my old middle phase but with a motor in the nose, looks good, thanks for the links and watch this space  :cool:

    I watched a few youtube video`s on the Fenix but found myself going of the idea, then later on i had to place an order on HK for some super bright LED`s and seeing as i was paying £4.97 post for a few grams.........i dropped a skywalker X-1 600 in the cart, i have servos/motor/esc/lipo so for £23 i will use this as a trainer
  • #118 by trebor on 22 May 2017
  • That doesn't look like a trainer to me, it will be more twitchy than the s800. You'd be better off getting a bigger plane chap, they would be slower and more stable.
  • #119 by apollo7 on 22 May 2017
  • That doesn't look like a trainer to me, it will be more twitchy than the s800. You'd be better off getting a bigger plane chap, they would be slower and more stable.
    Your correct its not a trainer, but its flying wings that ii want to fly, and the 600 X-1 looks tough, its very cheap so its what i will go for before flying the S800
  • #120 by trebor on 22 May 2017
  • Get yourself one of these, you'd have a hard job busting this.
    http://www.4-max.co.uk/aircraft-yeti-ep.htm
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