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Re: new design
« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2017, 13:51:55 »
save me cluttering up the "snapshot" thread with multiple posts (with the amount of different designs and numerous builds I keep making it'll just end up with me posting every other post and there are far more higher quality builds going on that deserve more airtime in that thread) I'll refresh this thread with my newer "endeavours"

firstly the Vice Versa in its original format never really got off the ground (pun intended) and eventually evolved into the Vice Versa XL which is basically a chunkier redesign of the original concept and a frame I fly as much as the weather allows.

original VV...


VVXL...


despite being one of my more simpler designs Ive grown really fond of it, nice and light, agile and takes a relatively good kicking even for a fully 3d printed frame (as testified by a 100ft nose dive resulting in only a cracked arm ~~)

spec...
2403 Racerstar 2300kv
Racerstar 20a 4in1 esc
CC3d v2.0 fc/pdb
KingKong 5051 tri's
tx0x AIO fpv

shortly after finishing the VVXL I took it and My PodRacer frame out for some acro giggles and promptly proceeded to stuff the Podracer into some heavy foliage at less than a snail like pace which resulted in some quite extensive damage to Podracer.

stripped it and condemned the frame to the recycle bin, its soul now resides in a ZMR250 CF frame I picked up for a tenner and added a few 3d bits onto...

podracer RIP, you went long before your time :cry...


but, your spirit will live on... least till I stuff this one too :embarrassed...






spec...

2205 Racerstar 2300kv
Racerstar 20a rev2 one/multi-shot esc
CC3d
RacerStar 5051 Tri's
TX02 AIO fpv (have to change this sometime soon as its a 200mw setup... I know I know naughty naughty )

Anyway, the classic ZMR frame got me thinking, as its been round for years its a pretty well supported frame type, Lots of options available for it (full pdb and integrated fc CF frame plates for example) and their pretty sturdy things even if their not exactly pretty to look at.

also a large community of 3d print designers that have had various go's at adapting the design to make it a little more practical and more cosmetically appealling, one particular approach was the "lowrider" setup were the top plate was dispensed with to reduce the frame height and the two lower plates where spaced to create a cavity for electronics...I decided to give that option a try.

my original concept designs and a full scale mock up with printed arms and plates which would be in its completed form the original CF ZMR frame parts....


certainly looked more appealing to my eye but while doing it I decided to go a little bit further (as I always find I invariably do.... more often than not to my own cost :-/).

figured If I could use the ZMR parts with the 3d printed parts as "optional add-ons" then the opposite was do-able to, design a new 3d printed frame that could use the ZMR parts as "optional add-ons" aswell but design it in such a way that it was still a viable frame even if the ZMR parts wernt used atall....



and the result looks somewhat like this...



think Ill build this one in its fully 3d printed format first, see how it flies then build a second with a pdb & fc integrated cf plate on the bottom and a standard CF plate sandwiched between the spacer/arm section and upper top plate..... all without the missus finding out.... which will be "interesting" or if she finds out.... "painful" :hmm:

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Re: new design
« Reply #31 on: April 21, 2017, 17:01:02 »
had to make some serious spec compromises due to only having a few select parts to hand but managed to build one of the prototypes up and fly it...

 


LDPower race spec power system (D200) with 1806 2300kv's
Matek pdb (with a additional bec installed as I previously fried the pdb bec)
CC3d Atom
5x3 props

the power system is a 2s-3s setup so right there is the first limitation (my hardware on order is for a 4s setup) but even on a low C-rating 3's it flew pretty dam well straight off the build table, I only did the most basic of Librepilot calibrations, no tuning.

havnt had a chance to see what its like acro wise as all I could really do was take it up behind my house and rip around the little open parking area to test stability and general manoeuvrability.

on order to replace current hardware is:

Racerstar 2600kv's
CC3d v2.0
Racerstar Rev2 20a escs
and a couple of fresh 4s 1800mah 70c so I can give it some proper thrashing down the field.

also have some pixel RGB LEDS on order that are built into the arms front and back for orientation.

looking forward to giving the other prototype the chunkier guts ::)
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Re: new design
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2017, 13:20:28 »
my latest play on the qav/zmr250 type frame...



first prototype...



and a quick pre-build weigh-in just to give me a general idea of what the total will look like , with motors,esc,fc,rx (threw on a metre of red and black 18awg cable to account for an overestimate of required wiring), forgot to throw in the micro-osd but thats only 2-3g's at most anyway.



300(ish) grams......niiiiiiice.

weight will go up with some chunkier motors (their the 18xx's I bought off Saleem a few days ago) but I doubt thatll see it top 350g (fingers crossed)
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Re: new design
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2017, 16:44:31 »
finished tweeking the prototype so Im onto the finished design build, how its progressing so far....



ooooo pwetty ickle lights...



with the lid on, cant add arms yet as all my solder points need trimming back underneath so they dont touch the carbon fibre baseplate and the arms are sandwiched between it and the pdb (just have to find my soddin elusive wire nips grrrr)...



but least the FPV and OSD setup seem to be working (no FC installed yet so can access the settings till one is)....



that MicroOSD was a right pain in the ricter to solder up, fiddliest bit of soldering Ive done in a long time even with a micro-fine tip on my iron.

Parts:-
QAV/ZMR v4.1 pdb (with 12 & 5v integrated bec)
Micro-OSD
ZMR250 plates and arms
Eachine 700tvl cam
Ts5823  Skyzone vtx(temp, Ive got a mini 72ch 25/50/200mw switchable vtx on the way)
dys 1806 2300kv (temp, these will be replaced with 2306 2700kv)
dys BLHeli 16a esc

still in 2 minds about whether to try and squeeze the mini escs inside the main body as they'll fit snug with some careful wiring but the only thing putting me off is inevitable heat build up which will only be made worse by the OSD and VTX also being present inside... might be best to not push my luck and keep em out on the arms.
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Re: new design
« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2017, 08:27:18 »


just have to solder up the escs on the arms and it'll be ready for a maiden today if the 5hitty weather holds off for five minutes
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Re: new design
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2017, 15:15:21 »
done and dusted....



flew like a pig at first. :cry

I swapped out the 5051 tri's I was running and slapped on some 4blade 5040 Dals, then after a bit of pid tweeking she sat in the air like she was glued there. ~~

looking forward to getting down the field and really thrashing it but wont chance it today as it looks like its about to pi55 it down at any moment ere :angry:

that's a new'un for the wall and the missus is fuming.....

"Another one?.....why do you need another one?"

"what do you mean?"

"you have about 8 on the wall already, don't any of them work??"

didn't wanna lie so I gave it a moment pause before answering.

"nope none of them work right now......"

waited for her to walk out the room before adding under my breathe....

"....not without a battery in them" :whistling:

I forgot the weigh-in now its complete, swiped the missus scales again aaaaaaaaaand...



362g with everything barring battery, that's actually better than I was hoping for.... RESULT ::), that'll come down a little more when I swap out that skyzone vtx for a mini switchable once it turns up.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2017, 15:35:53 by shawdreamer »
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Re: new design
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2017, 15:57:00 »
that's a new'un for the wall and the missus is fuming.....

"Another one?.....why do you need another one?"

"what do you mean?"

"you have about 8 on the wall already, don't any of them work??"

didn't wanna lie so I gave it a moment pause before answering.
"nope none of them work right now......"
waited for her to walk out the room before adding under my breathe....
"....not without a battery in them" :whistling:
Nice....... Why can't they understand that you NEED multiple multi rotors for different purposes. Just like they NEED different devices to do their hair!

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Re: new design
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2017, 16:03:18 »
If soddin mountain climbers can climb mountains "cos their there"

then I can build quads "cos the parts are there" :laugh:
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Re: new design
« Reply #38 on: Today at 09:36:05 »
my 72ch switchable vtx turned up yesterday.

sooooooo tiny but sooooo soddin strong a signal, wasn't getting any breakup even using the crappy little pigtail it comes with (and that was with it set at 25mw I expect the 50 and 200 settings would only improve on that.... though Ill never use them..... as there not legal...... and that'd be naughty :whistling:).



plus its compact size meant it slotted in nicely inside the frame....



Ill eventually swap the dipole out for a clover I think, its a ipex plug type so its easy enough to snap on a ipex to sma lead


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