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Flying in France
« on: August 09, 2017, 18:09:33 »
Anybody done any flying in France recently ?
I'm going for a couple of weeks this Saturday and thinking about taking my quad (phantom), I'm staying in Brittany on the coast, but looking on the DGAC aero map the whole coast is a no fly zone :shrug: yet there's a 10 step guide for recreational drone flying, so it seems a little contradictory and unclear.
Any thoughts chaps ?



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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2017, 18:14:31 »
same general rules as us matey apart from you need a baguette as a spotter  :laugh:

sorry mate haven't got a clue tbh  :embarrassed
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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2017, 19:30:22 »
iRobot,
It would be wise to be careful about drone flying in France. I recently joined my local club in France and without mentioning that I had a multirotor as well as fixed wing models I was advised that it was not recommended to fly FPV or drones because the rules were changing.
I have not pushed further at this point because I am new in the area but we have a general club event soon and I will hopefully find out more then.

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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2017, 19:57:54 »
I follow on face book.
https://www.facebook.com/airgonay/

They helped when I went flying down south France. Maybe drop them a line?

And they have just posted this about laws in France.
https://www.helicomicro.com/2017/08/08/les-projets-de-decrets-pour-la-loi-drones/
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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2017, 20:23:43 »
Thanks atomiclama,

That gives context to what I was told.

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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2017, 21:55:24 »
That actually makes interesting reading, there are concerns but an 800g point is a good one for quadcopters, most devices over 800g have a sufficiently comprehensive suite of sensors to support altitude limitation etc,

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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2017, 22:44:46 »
Hells bells  :evil I take it the French don't like drones lol
It's so unclear as to what's  legal and what's not, seems like they are in limbo (just like UK) and you don't know where you stand.
Every time I visit france, there's always a very strong police presence unlike UK where if you needed police assistance you could possibly have to wait several days for a community support officer to turn up (in my area anyway), point is I wouldn't want to be a have a local Gendarmerie on my case,,,, they have batons and guns  :laugh:
I also get the impression that if you stay well away from people and property it shouldn't be an issue. Sensible stealth flying in the most remote places I can possibly find might be doable.
Think I'll take my stuff, do what I do normally and chat to the locals to try and get a feel for the general opinion, and if it's headaches and agro I'll steer well clear.

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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2017, 23:09:40 »
When I was out there I was flying first thing in he morning well away from anybody, up in the hills.

Nice and peaceful.
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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2017, 00:24:48 »
Just read that French document.  It looks like their rules aren't in force yet like here but one thing, the French public aren't allowed to submit their thoughts on it, no open public consultation allowed.  It also looks like they will be subjected to the same insane regulations as we are. 

However we need to think ourselves lucky we don't need to install a warning horn...for FLIPS sake.

This rule "Sont exemptés les appareils qui sont dépourvus des capteurs et des calculateurs de vol qui permettent un pilotage sans surveillance constante du pilote, ET dépourvus de caméra pour le pilotage en immersion."

"Devices are exempt which do not have sensors and flight computers which permit piloting without constant supervision of the pilot, and lacking a camera for piloting in immersion."

Lets a lot of RC flyers of the hook by the look of things.  Its a bit open to interpretation..how long is "constant supervision" what happens if you flip it into manual every 3 minutes and turn your drone a bit or adjust it's height.  Is that going to break the "being under constant supervision" thing?

They also have a penalty of 750 Euros for breaking the rules.  :blink

That will be something to look forward to when they enforce the rules here.

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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2017, 08:11:11 »


However we need to think ourselves lucky we don't need to install a warning horn...for FLIPS sake.


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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2017, 13:57:32 »
How do they define a flight computer?
The KK2 is MCU based, but all it does is the mixing for the motors so the copter can fly, it has no GPS capability or any other sensors.
The person on the sticks determines its flight path.
Why use 4 motors when you can use 6?

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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2017, 16:36:55 »
Lol how much fun could you have with a warning horn  :laugh:
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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2017, 17:31:14 »
How do they define a flight computer?
The KK2 is MCU based, but all it does is the mixing for the motors so the copter can fly, it has no GPS capability or any other sensors.
The person on the sticks determines its flight path.

The people who write these documents and  rules obviously know lots about multirotors  :smiley:
I'd say a flight computer is the GPS part of the aircraft, giving a track log, position, altitude, vertical & horizontal speeds, battery voltage, satellite info etc. But it's still all tied in with the FC making the thing fly.
I'm totally baffled by some of the reading on proposed regs in France.
And the max altitude stated is 150 meters lol so that's 92 feet higher than UK height of 400 feet, problem is my P3s won't go more than 400, at about 397' I get the audio and osd warning 'max altitude reached ' and no amount of pushing the stick up it won't go any higher !
Maybe I should adjust my flight computer to French settings  ::)

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Re: Flying in France
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2017, 19:15:41 »
A nice example of fluck wits demonstrating the know bu99er all about what the are talking about. :sick:
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